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Brace yourselves.

Brace yourselves.  I am about to tick a lot of you off.

When it comes to students, I deal with two types.

Some of my students join my classes because they want to learn Latin, Greek, or Italian.  And, some of my students join my classes because they need a grade or a high-school credit.

Naturally, I love interacting with the first group.  I don’t really blame the second group.  They are just part of the system.  I get it.

But, I wonder, have any of them (or their parents) ever stopped to question the system?

Why DO we educate kids the way we do?  Has it always been done this way?  Does it work?  What does modern education produce?  Most students will never question the system… because the system teaches us not to question the system.

I’ve been reading a book that questions the system.  Even though I am not done with the book, I am going to recommend it anyway.

I am sure all of you have heard of the book Rich Dad/Poor Dad, by Robert Kiosaki.  Well, he has written other books, too.  I have read most of them.  Somehow, I missed this one.  Until now.

This week, I started reading Why “A” Students Work for “C” Students and Why “B” Students Work for the Government: Rich Dad’s Guide to Financial Education for Parents.

Not exactly sure how I missed this one.  Anyway, I recommend it.  You may not agree with his take on debt, and on investing, and that is fine.  But, if you are an American, you need to read his thoughts on education.  I have been a teacher now for 20 years.  I am an educator.  I am an insider.  What he says about education is true.

We have raised generations of children who are concerned about grades and credits.  And, for what?  After school, and after college, does ANYONE ask you for your report card?  Does ANYONE care?  Not in my experience.

Worse, students are made to feel stupid, or inadequate for failing certain subjects in school.  I failed college algebra three times.  That one experience torpedoed my confidence.  I felt like an idiot.  I felt inadequate.

Guess how much I have used algebra since college.  Go ahead.  I can wait.

I am sure you guessed correctly.  Never.  Not once.  As Mr. Kiosaki says out in the book, “If you grade a fish on its ability to climb a tree, the fish will fail.”  The fish might even feel like an idiot.

I have not used algebra once since leaving school.  Not once.  Guess what I have used every single day of my adult life?  Financial math.  Basic financial math.  I didn’t have a single class in school on this subject.

If you, like me, question the system, then check out Mr. Kiyosaki’s book.  If you are interested in acquiring a financial education, then check out Mr. Kiyosaki’s book.  And, if all you can think about is the grade you are going to receive in class, you definitely need to read: Why “A” Students Work for “C” Students and Why “B” Students Work for the Government: Rich Dad’s Guide to Financial Education for Parents.


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High school credit?

I received this comment:

We currently homeschool with Classical Conversations. I have a 5th grader in Foundations and Essentials, and an 8th grader in Challenge B. I would like to “beef” up Latin for my 5th grader to prepare her for Challenge, and I would like help with Henle Latin 1 for my 8th grader. We plan to homeschool through Challenge 1 (at least). My oldest has worked so hard in Latin these past two years, I really want her to receive her HS credits for Latin. If she goes to the local high school they do not offer Latin. I have no idea how to go about this process and what it entails to receive the credit.

I also like the idea of joining so the entire family can use the site. Any guidance or assistance you can provide I will be grateful. Homeschooling through high school is intimidating. I don’t want to mess anything up or create more work for her later on.

Here is my reply:

Good morning!

You are right about homeschooling through high school.  It’s challenging.  I recommend the advice of Carol Joy Seid.  She really does simplify the complicated.  

Compass Classroom has a helpful course: http://www.compassclassroom.com/homeschool-made-simple.html

If you are involved in Classical Conversations, I would check with them about high school credits and requirements.  It is my understanding that the credit system is set up on a time basis.  

If you are using Visual Latin, we have set the course up according to the Home School Legal Defense Association parameters.  If you follow the guide in Visual Latin, students will spend about 150 hours on the course.  This should satisfy the requirements for high school foreign language credit.  The HSLDA parameters are here: https://www.hslda.org/highschool/docs/EvaluatingCredits.asp

If you are considering the next level live online Latin and Greek classes I teach on my site, plan to spend an hour a day studying Latin or Greek.  This means students will spend about 200 hours during the course.  This is more than enough to satisfy high school credit requirements.

Let me know if you have more questions!

Have a happy Thursday!



High school level?

I received this comment about Lingua Latina online:

This is a high school level class, right?  Just checking.

I’m pleasantly surprised as well. Henle was such a struggle for him that I’m wondering if it was the curriculum or the way in which it was  presented. He did spend 2 yrs working through the 1st half of Henle 1 which I will count as 1 credit. That basis is obviously helping him. 

He hasn’t been doing the online tests which I will have him go back and complete.  So far all the homework allows him to look up the answers and I want to eventually add memory based quizzes.

Thanks for doing such a fantastic job making a “dead language” come alive!

Here is my reply:

Good morning!

I know of several colleges and at least one international language school that use Lingua Latina.  Most high schools will not touch it.  It requires way too much of the teacher.  

Yes.  This is definitely a high school level class.  College level too, depending on who you are talking with.  

Your son is blowing me away.  His performance is rare.  Extremely rare.

I would hold off on the online tests.  I am not even creating any new tests.  There have been numerous problems with the plug-in I am using.  It is causing my students all kinds of headaches.  Until the developer and I figure this out, just have him email me the homework…

Another time conflict

I received this question:

Mr. Thomas,

My son has completed one year of HS Latin with a local magistra, and took your VL 2 this past year. He did well on the Intro to Latin, Latin I and Latin II NLE’s. My question/concern is what to do for Latin 3 since most colleges want to see at least 3 years of one language or 2 years of 2 languages. He has no interest in learning another language so taking one more year of Latin at this point just makes sense. What would you advise? 

He has actually been taking some form of Latin since 3rd grade, but I’m just not sure he’s gone far enough to warrant 3 years of HS Latin on his transcript.

I see that you offer a Latin 3 class online for 2015-2016, but he is in class at a local community college on the Tuesdays that you offer the course. Any advice you have would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you, Mr. Thomas!

Here is my reply:

Just curious, has he been through Henle Latin 1?  If so, he could join my Henle Latin 2 class on Wednesday.  Most schools count this as Latin 3, even though the name of the book is Second Year Latin.

The Latin 3 class on Tuesday will be far more interesting simply because it is not Henle 2 (a rather dull book).  He could also watch the recordings from the Latin 3 class if he likes.  He could still participate in the homework for a grade.  

Would this work for you guys?  

If not, there are plenty of other online Latin providers.  Unfortunately, they are quite a bit more expensive.  You can find links to all of them here:  https://dwanethomas.com/learn-latin-without-going-broke/

Let me know if you need more help!


Does Visual Latin count for high school credit?

People often ask:

Is Visual Latin good for high school credit?

Here is the reply:

In terms of the material it covers, Visual Latin, Latin 1 (Lessons 1-30) and Latin 2 (Lessons 31-60) are each good for one high school foreign language credit (2 credits total).

By itself, however, it will not provide a full 150 hours of work.

Some parents are less concerned about this.  Others may want to provide extra supporting materials for upper-level high school students. For those who want to provide extra, we recommend supplementing Latin 1 with Lingua Latina per se Illustrata. (The older version of LL without color is the same text and perfectly acceptable.)

We have created a free Visual Latin/Lingua Latina Teaching Guide. You can use this “map” to match Visual Latin with Lingua Latina over a two-year period.

[Note that Lingua Latina is a unique Latin only, college-level book. Visual Latin has been modeled on this book, and in terms of content, teaches exactly the same things.]


How do online classes work?

I received this question:

“When  do  you  start  your  next  henle online  latin class?  How are  classes  structured?  We have  never  done   online classes  before.  

I was  hoping  to count  it as high  school  foreign  language  credit.  Do you  set  it up as equivalent to 1/2 crdt per  semester class?

Thanks  for  your  time

Btw,  I really  appreciate  your  sense  of humor  in VL.  My kids are  still  getting  used  to it.  ☺”

Here is my reply:

I moved all my classes to my own site about 6 months ago.  You can find all kinds of information here:  https://dwanethomas.com/classes-2/

As for the structure, students will log into class with me once a week.  In class, we will read together through the current chapter.  They will hear my voice, and will see the Latin chapter on the screen in front of them.  We will discuss difficult concepts in class.  They will do some translation in class.  After class, they will work on a weekly assignment.  They will send the assignment/translation to me and I will personally grade their work.  I will respond to them, pointing out any mistakes they made.  I will give them pointers in my responses.  

The online classes are rigorous.  They are for students who want to go beyond Visual Latin.  They fulfill all the requirements for high school Latin.  

My own kids are still getting used to my humor.  Maybe.  Some of them are saying they can’t wait to move out. 🙂

Am I ready for Lingua Latina?

Recently, I received this question:

I have a 17 year old daughter who has done Visual Latin through lesson 45, but hasn’t read Lingua Latina. She is planning on finishing through lesson 50. I noticed your on line classes use the book along with the DVD. I was wondering if my daughter would be able to read the book on her own. What do you recommend? Also, how many credits would she receive? If she would like more advanced studies what would you recommend?

She LOVES Visual Latin!

Thanks for all your help and for creating such an awesome Latin course. We recommend it to everyone who wants to learn Latin!

Here is my response:

Your daughter is ready for Lingua Latina… grammatically.  Visual Latin teaches the grammar of Latin well.

When it comes to Lingua Latina, I usually hear the same complaint.  My students will say, “I get Latin grammar, Mr. Thomas.  It makes sense to me.  I am having a very hard time with all of the new vocabulary in Lingua Latina.

Chances are, your daughter will feel the same.  Give her Lingua Latina.  It is, by far, the best Latin book out there.  Nothing else comes close.

Just make sure you warn her.  She absolutely cannot fall behind on the vocabulary.

As for advanced studies,  here is my recommended reading list:

1. Lingua Latina by Hans Orberg
2. Cornelia by Mima Maxey
3. Ora Maritima by E. A. Sonnenschein
4. Gospel of Matthew by St. Matthew
5. Fabilae Faciles by Francis Ritchie
6. Viri Romae by Llomond
7. Roma Aeterna by Hans Orberg

When you have finished this list, visit the Latin Library.com.  There you will find more Latin than you will ever read… and it’s all free.

As for high school credits, states vary.  We believe VL is worth a 1/2 credit per semester.  VL plus Lingua Latina provides 1 credit per semester.