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Annual subscription?

I received this question:

I’ve had some conflicting answers from friends that do your Latin on-line. The price for the year is $250, correct?

Here is my reply:

It used to be.  I charged $250 a year, per family, for every class I teach.  When it comes to affordability, there is nothing like it among online Latin classes.  No one else provides the service I provide at such affordable rates.  

The problem is, my site, ThinkOutsideTheBorder.com renews membership automatically.  This is designed to make the process easy for students and their families.  You do not have to go through the registration process every year.  

I was trying to make things easier on everyone.  

Instead, people started taking advantage of me.  They would sign up for one year, take the discount, and ask for a refund when the second automatic payment went through.   Unfortunately, the refund process on my end is time-consuming and difficult.  Often, the refund request would come with an abrupt, or rude email.  It is demoralizing.  I have grown weary of it.  I canceled the annual option.  I have left only the monthly option open.  I am sorry.  

You joined under the annual subscription just before I canceled that option.  You are good to go.  I have not yet canceled your subscription yet because I was waiting for your final decision.  Just let me know.  If you are ready to cancel, you can do it here: https://dwanethomas.com/updating-your-information/.  If you cancel, I will refund the annual payment.

Annual subscription option?

I have removed the annual subscription option.  

My site, ThinkOutsideTheBorder.com once renewed membership automatically.  This was designed to make the process easy for students and their families.  They do not have to go through the registration process every year.   

However, the refund process is actually very difficult and time-consuming for me.   When my site would annually renew, some people would inevitably ask for a refund.  

Even a small amount of people asking for a refund slows me down immensely.  The refund process is tedious.  

For this reason, I removed the annual subscription option and have only left the monthly subscription option.  This gives people the chance to try the program out for a few months and then quit if they are not happy.

Latin in three years?

I received this question:

I have a question regarding Henle 1.  My 13-year-old is taking Latin 1 through a Homeschool Community this year.   They are covering Units 1-5 this year and will be covering Units 6-14 next year.  However, I am anticipating a change in our homeschooling and he may not be continuing on in this community.  I have found your website and I am thinking I would like to sign him up for a class to continue his Latin with you in the fall, but am not sure how I will be able to do that since you cover all of Henle 1 in one year.  Have you run into this problem before?  And if so, do you have any suggestions for a solution?  Thanks in advance for your help.

Here is my reply:

Continue reading Latin in three years?

Some warnings.

You can join EVERY CLASS I teach with ONE simple subscription option.  That’s correct.  Subscribe once and you will have access to each and every class I teach.

Not only that, all subscriptions are FAMILY subscriptions.  Everyone in the family is welcome to enroll.

I will do the math for you.  If you subscribe for $25 a month, you are going to join all of my classes for $300 a year.  Double that if you want me to grade your work, which I will be doing personally.  I do not hire anyone to help me.  I sometimes spend as many as 6, or 7 hours a day grading.

Shop around.  Most online Latin courses cost $600 or more per student.   Got three kids?  Great.  You will be paying $1,800 this year for Latin.  $1,800 for a language you will likely never speak.  C’mon.  I know you have better things to do with your money.

I charge per family.  Got three kids?  You will be paying $300 this year for Latin.  Got seven kids?  $300.  Got 12 kids?  $300.  Got 19 kids and counting?  Hey, what are the Duggars doing on my site?  Don’t you have better things to do?

Most online Latin courses are on a six, or seven-year plan.  Please. Don’t spend seven years studying a language you will likely never speak.

I have an ambitious goal.  I want you to be able to read the New Testament in Latin in two years.  It can be done.  I have personally taught hundreds of students to read the New Testament within two years.

Warning, my classes are not easy.

For this reason, I strongly recommend that you finish Visual Latin before beginning one of my online classes.  Or, I recommend you learn Italian, Spanish, or French first.  Latin is a very difficult language to master.  Read that again.  I am not kidding.  Latin is a very difficult language to master.  
Visual Latin, Italian, Spanish, or French will pave the way.
One last warning.  I recommend that you do not join any of my online classes unless you are at least 13 years old.  I am afraid you are setting yourself up for frustration if you do not heed this warning.
 

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People just can’t believe it, I guess.

I get this question, or questions like this, every week:

I have two kids entering Challenge 1 this year in CC, and I am interested in your Henle 1 class. Would I need to pay 250.00 per child? Also, if I were to sign them up for the class where their work is graded, would it be 500.00 per child? Thanks for your time,

Here is my reply:

Good morning, Sarah!

In response to your question, no.  One price per family.  I have switched my site so that there is a family price, instead of an individual price for each student. I am tired of getting ripped off all the time for having a large family.   I decided to treat others the way I would like to be treated.  

I guess people just can’t believe that I’m serious.   This explains why the question keeps popping up.

I like helping people.  Unlike some other online programs, I don’t have a desire to squeeze families for every last dollar I can get from them.

I see myself as a helpful advisor, not a money extraction machine. I am likely leaving money on the table.  Maybe a lot of money.  That’s okay.  I can sleep well at night this way.

The breakdown

I received the following question:

If I sign up now does the class start in August? When do the charges start? Now or in August?

Here is my reply:

Most of my students stay with me for three years.

Students will typically take Latin 1, 2 and 3 before moving on.

At $25 a month, that’s $300 a year.  Remember,  That’s access to every class I teach for $300.  That’s $300 for the entire family.  This is not a per student, per class price.

I have five children.  I am trying to educate them.  I know what it feels like to spend $500 each for each and every online class they take.  I know what it feels like.  It stinks.  I will not do that to you.

I have done the research for you.  Most online Latin providers are going to charge you quite a bit more.  Also, pay close attention to how long the process takes.   (By the way, every other provider raised their prices for the 2017-2018.)

Years to complete

Average Annual Price

2016

2017

Monthly  Price

Think Outside the Border

1 to 2 years

2016: $300

2017: $300

$25

$25

Classical Academic Press

5 years

2016:  $545

2017: $575

$45

$48

Veritas Scholars Online

2 years

2016:  $620

2017: $649

$52

$54

Carmeta Online Latin

5 years

2016: $520

2017: $750

$43

$62.5

Harvard Online Latin

2 years

2016: $950

2017: $1,050

$79

$87.5

Lone Pine Classical

2 – 3 years

2016: $509

2017: $590

$42

$49

Memoria Press

3 – 10 years

2016: $500

2017: $575

$41

$48

Classical Learning Resource Center

3 years

2016: $600

2017: $720

$50

$60

I have not raised my prices this year.  I have been advised to.  I’m not going to do it.

Here’s why.

You don’t need to learn Latin.  Neither do your kids.  You have met hundreds of happy people who didn’t study Latin.  Look around.  You know what I’m saying is true.  You do not have to learn Latin.  Life goes on without it.

I am simply not going to charge more for something you do not need.  In fact, I have been looking for a way to lower my prices.

Instead, I have found a way to reward those who stay with me the longest.  If you stay with me for three uninterrupted years, your payments will end.   It’s my way of saying “Thank you.”

Your subscription will not end.  Only the payments will end.  You and the rest of your kids can keep taking my classes for as long as you like, or for as long as I keep teaching Latin.  I’ve been doing this for 20 years and I see no reason to stop.

However, if you cancel during the summer, as many of my students do, you will have to start a new subscription each fall.

When you cancel, my site will delete your information.  When you come back in the fall, you will have to start a new account, new username, new password, and all of that.

My site, ThinkOutsideTheBorder.com renews membership automatically.  This is designed to make the process easy for students and their families.  You do not have to go through the registration process every year.

If you cancel for the summer, you are going to have to go through the registration process again.  Again, this is because my site is going to delete your information.

It’s up to you.  Cancel for the summer if you like.  It really makes no difference to me.  However, if you decide to just let it run, I am going to reward you in the end.

Yes.  If you let your subscription run through the summer, you are going to be charged $25 a month.  But, remember, that is $300 a year.  And, $300 a year is the most affordable price I have found for online Latin classes.

Wait. That isn’t true.  There is a more affordable option.

I offer lower priced Latin classes.  If you can’t stomach the thought of paying $300 dollars a year for Latin, you could always go with Visual Latin.   Go here and pay $85.

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(By the way, here is the chart I posted in 2016):

Years to complete

Average Annual Price

Monthly  Price

Think Outside the Border

1 to 2

$300/$600

$25/$50

Classical Academic Press

5

$545

$45

Veritas Scholars Online

2

$620

$52

Carmeta Online Latin

5

$520

$43

Harvard Online Latin

2

$950

$79

Lone Pine Classical

2 – 3

$509

$42

Memoria Press

3 – 10

$500

$41

Classical Learning Resource Center

3

$600

$50

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 Remember, I charge per family.  Not per student.   I also charge no registration fees, no paperwork fees, no application fees.

How long does the subscription last?

Monthly users have access to everything for one year.  Yearly subscribers are charged once annually.  However, if you only want to subscribe for one year, and if you want the annual discount, subscribe and contact me.  I will cancel annual recurring payments after payment for the first year is complete.