Category Archives: Online Classes

War Commentaries of Caesar

You kids today.  I am so jealous.

When I moved to Germany as a teenager, I decided to learn German.  Someone gave me a set of language learning cassette tapes.  This, kids, is a cassette tape:

There were twelve cassettes in the course.  I was glad someone gave the series to me.  As I recall, the series cost about $300.  In the 1980’s, $300 was an inaccessible fortune.

These days, you have access to more German audio material than you could ever listen to.  For free.  Do you see why I am jealous?

Every year, I take students through Caesar’s Commentaries on the Gallic Wars.

I like to listen to audiobooks.  I went hunting for an audio version of Caesar’s book.  I expected to spend $20 to $30 on Audible.com.  I found it.

The Commentaries by Julius Caesar read by Charlton Griffin is my new favorite audio version.  Sure enough, the book costs a bit more than $20.

However, if you want it for free, it is also available on YouTube.  Seriously. Here you go:

You kids today have it all.  You could learn anything.  Stop playing Candy Crush.

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Before you cancel.

Most of my students stay with me for three years.

Students will typically take Latin 1, 2 and 3 before moving on.

At $25 a month, that’s $300 a year.  Remember,  That’s access to every class I teach for $300.  That’s $300 for the entire family.  This is not a per student, per class price.

I have five children.  I am trying to educate them.  I know what it feels like to spend $500 each for each and every online class they take.  I know what it feels like.  It stinks.  I will not do that to you.

I have done the research for you.  Most online Latin providers are going to charge you quite a bit more.  Also, pay close attention to how long the process takes.   (By the way, every other provider raised their prices for the 2017-2018.)

Years to complete

Average Annual Price

2016

2017

Monthly  Price

Think Outside the Border

1 to 2 years

2016: $300

2017: $300

$25

$25

Classical Academic Press

5 years

2016:  $545

2017: $575

$45

$48

Veritas Scholars Online

2 years

2016:  $620

2017: $649

$52

$54

Carmeta Online Latin

5 years

2016: $520

2017: $750

$43

$62.5

Harvard Online Latin

2 years

2016: $950

2017: $1,050

$79

$87.5

Lone Pine Classical

2 – 3 years

2016: $509

2017: $590

$42

$49

Memoria Press

3 – 10 years

2016: $500

2017: $575

$41

$48

Classical Learning Resource Center

3 years

2016: $600

2017: $720

$50

$60

I have not raised my prices this year.  I have been advised to.  I’m not going to do it.

Here’s why.

You don’t need to learn Latin.  Neither do your kids.  You have met hundreds of happy people who didn’t study Latin.  Look around.  You know what I’m saying is true.  You do not have to learn Latin.  Life goes on without it.

I am simply not going to charge more for something you do not need.  In fact, I have been looking for a way to lower my prices.

Instead, I have found a way to reward those who stay with me the longest.  If you stay with me for three uninterrupted years, your payments will end.   It’s my way of saying “Thank you.”

Your subscription will not end.  Only the payments will end.  You and the rest of your kids can keep taking my classes for as long as you like, or for as long as I keep teaching Latin.  I’ve been doing this for 20 years and I see no reason to stop.

However, if you cancel during the summer, as many of my students do, you will have to start a new subscription each fall.

When you cancel, my site will delete your information.  When you come back in the fall, you will have to start a new account, new username, new password, and all of that.

My site, ThinkOutsideTheBorder.com renews membership automatically.  This is designed to make the process easy for students and their families.  You do not have to go through the registration process every year.

If you cancel for the summer, you are going to have to go through the registration process again.  Again, this is because my site is going to delete your information.

It’s up to you.  Cancel for the summer if you like.  It really makes no difference to me.  However, if you decide to just let it run, I am going to reward you in the end.

Yes.  If you let your subscription run through the summer, you are going to be charged $25 a month.  But, remember, that is $300 a year.  And, $300 a year is the most affordable price I have found for online Latin classes.

Wait. That isn’t true.  There is a more affordable option.

I offer lower priced Latin classes.  If you can’t stomach the thought of paying $300 dollars a year for Latin, you could always go with Visual Latin.   Go here and pay $85.

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(By the way, here is the chart I posted in 2016):

Years to complete

Average Annual Price

Monthly  Price

Think Outside the Border

1 to 2

$300/$600

$25/$50

Classical Academic Press

5

$545

$45

Veritas Scholars Online

2

$620

$52

Carmeta Online Latin

5

$520

$43

Harvard Online Latin

2

$950

$79

Lone Pine Classical

2 – 3

$509

$42

Memoria Press

3 – 10

$500

$41

Classical Learning Resource Center

3

$600

$50

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Kudos…

Found this note today while grading….

You made her year of Latin so much better than if we had attempted it alone!  Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

You should know that my daughter received a Gold Summa Cum Laude award this evening for her NLE this year. She missed 3 on the Latin 1 test, and her younger sister by 2 years missed 5 on the Intro. What a surprise to mom!  Thanks for making a difference!

This is our first online class, and I have to say that I am beyond impressed that our teacher who is somewhere out in the Internet world actually knows who we are!  I have always figured that you had so so many students….never would I have dreamed that you would know us the way you do.  Thanks for being personal, even if we never meet face to face!

– Julie

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High speed Henle Latin?

I received this question:

Last year I was in Challenge A of Classical Conversations. After making my way through some of the Henle latin program(and many slaughtered Gauls) we went to a different co-op this year. Almost halfway through the school year, we realized staying with Challenge would have been a better idea. So this coming school year I’ll be in Challenge 1 (and unfortunately, Henle latin).   I have heard that you teach Henle 1 but at a much faster pace…

I often wish that we could just switch altogether from Henle to Lingua Latina and I might just to that individually.

Here is my reply:

Good morning!

Gosh.  I feel for you.  Such a common story.  

Fortunately, with my site, you do not have to choose.  A subscription grants access to every live class I teach. It also grants access to every recorded class on my site.  You could attend the Henle classes as well as the Lingua Latina classes.  

I do teach First Year Latin at a higher speed.  Maybe.  I teach First Year Latin in, well, the first year.  

If you take three years to go through First Year Latin, and if you go through the entire Henle series, you will spend seven years learning Latin.  At the end of seven years, you will have mastered a language that you cannot speak.  If you try to speak it, you will end up in arguments about pronunciation.  Those arguments will be in English.  Sigh.

I recommend getting through Latin as rapidly as possible.  Three years should do it. Two, if you work hard. After that, move on to a modern language.  You will be able to speak the language with millions of people.

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Doing whatever just to stay alive.

In 2017, a hacker named “Lucy Pat” invaded my site and sent flirtatious messages to all of my middle school students.  Thank you, internet.

Instantly, I received angry messages from a bunch of homeschool moms.  They sent angry messages because they thought that I sent flirtatious messages to a bunch of middle school students.

Not to put too fine a point on it, please do not be stupid when you email me.  Do you really think that I would do that?  Do you really think that I would torpedo my means of income and provision?  Do you really think that I would burn my own financial house down?  Do you really think that I would send out flirtatious messages to a bunch of kids online?  Please think before you yell at me.

Those who were angry with me canceled their accounts and left.  I was glad to see them go.

Most people recognized the hack as a hack.  Most people encouraged me to hang in there.  You know who you are.  Thank you.

On this side of the hack, I remain nervous.  I do not want to get hacked again.

I have probably overdone website security on my end.  Now, there is a new problem.  From time to time, my students will receive one of two messages.  Either they will get a “Forbidden” notice, or they will get this notice:

“ERROR: JavaScript and Cookies are required in order to register. Please be sure JavaScript and Cookies are enabled in your browser and reload the page.”

The problem is an overzealous security feature.  This affects about 2% of my students.  If you find yourself in this number, please email me at dwane@visuallatin.com.  I know how to fix the problem.  It will take a few emails.  I apologize for the hassle.

If you don’t want to wait around, here are my online hours.  I start about 4:30 am every morning.  I finish up around 7 am.    I am usually back online from about 9 pm until I fall asleep at 11 pm.  Most days, I am in the Central Time Zone.

I know the objections.  Put your hands down.  I know these hours are not healthy.  But, with a large family, hours and hours of Latin and Greek research, writing, teaching, filming, taxes, bills, the DMV, website repair, and on and on, I don’t know how to get off this train.

Doing whatever just to stay alive.

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Why I do what I do….

I received this note from the parent of an online student:

Thank you so much!  As someone who is part of my “educational team” for my kids, you should know my daughter received a Gold Summa Cum Laude award this evening for her NLE this year. She missed 3 on the Latin 1 test, and her younger sister by 2 years missed 5 on the Intro. What a surprise to mom!  Thanks for making a difference!

This is our first online class, and I have to say that I am beyond impressed that our teacher who is somewhere out in the Internet world actually knows who we are!  I have always figured that you had so so many students….never would I have dreamed that you would know us the way you do.  Thanks for being personal, even if we never meet face to face!

You made her year of Latin so much better than if we had attempted it alone!  Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!  

– Julie

Want to join a class?  Click the blue button below: 

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Annual subscription option?

I have removed the annual subscription option.  

My site, ThinkOutsideTheBorder.com once renewed membership automatically.  This was designed to make the process easy for students and their families.  They do not have to go through the registration process every year.   

However, the refund process is actually very difficult and time-consuming for me.   When my site would annually renew, some people would inevitably ask for a refund.  

Even a small amount of people asking for a refund slows me down immensely.  The refund process is tedious.  

For this reason, I removed the annual subscription option and have only left the monthly subscription option.  This gives people the chance to try the program out for a few months and then quit if they are not happy.